The following is from the Alan
Keyes / Alan Dershowitz debate, Does
Organized Religion Hold Answers to the
Problems of the 21st Century? at Franklin
and Marshall College, Sept. 27,
2000.1
In the excerpted portion below, Professor
Dershowitz expresses opinions
unambiguously antagonistic toward the
Christian faith. Read this article, have a look at
Christian Education: The
More and the Less and ask yourself,
How well has the average Christian been
prepared to respond to the likes of Mr.
Dershowitz?
Thank you all very much for inviting me to this
wonderful event tonight. I spent the whole day
today preparing for this debate by carrying
around a copy of the Bible. It made me feel
like I'm in a different line of work no, not
preacher. Presidential candidate. Ah, because
this presidential campaign has seemed to me
as it were a campaign for deacon or bishop
rather than a campaign for leader of the free
world. I learned a lot as I always do from
Ambassador Keynes [sic], but I want to read
you something which also taught me a great
deal. I recently came across this on the
internet. It's a letter written to Dr. Laura
Schlessinger.
Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you so
much for trying to educate people regarding
God's law. I have learned a great deal from
you, and I try to share that knowledge with as
many people as I can. When someone tries to
defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I
simply remind them that Leviticus 18:12
clearly states it to be an abomination. End of
debate.
But I need some advice from you regarding
some of the other specific laws and how best
to follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar
as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 'pleasing
odor for the Lord' (Leviticus 1:9). The problem
is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not
pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery as
suggested by Exodus 21:7. What do you think
a fair price would be? I know I'm allowed no
contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus
19:24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have
tried asking, but some women take offense. I
have a neighbor who insists on working on
the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he
should be put to death. Am I obliged morally to
kill him myself, or may I hire a hit man? I know
you have studied these things extensively, and
so I am confident you can help. Thank you
again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.
Morality without religion
Now, I don't dispute what Ambassador
Keynes [sic] said about the need for morality
to control scientific developments. Where my
problem comes up is in his attempt to
correlate precisely religion and morality. When
Sen. Lieberman said the following, "George
Washington warned us never to indulge in the
supposition that morality can be maintained
without religion," he was wrong and so was
George Washington. There, I said it. George
Washington was wrong. Morality can be
maintained without religion, and indeed it
must be maintained without religion, because
there are always going to be people who are
not religious.
In North America today, according to a recent
census, there are 27 million people who are
not religious and a million and a half avowed
atheists. There is no evidence to suggest they
are less moral than those who go to
synagogue, mosque, and church everyday.
Indeed, it is my contention that a truly moral
person, who acts morally not out of fear of
damnation or out of promise of reward, but
because it's the right thing if anything, is
more moral. More moral. The atheist or the
agnostic who throws himself in front of an
oncoming bus to save a child, knowing that
there is no eternal promise, that there is
nothing but the grave that awaits him, is more
moral than Sir Thomas More who made a
cost/benefit analysis as to whether or not to
face eternal damnation by disobeying the
pope or face instantaneous death by
disobeying the king.
Pascal's wager which I'm sure you all know
about Pascal said, "One must bet either
there is a God or there is no God. If there is a
God and you don't believe in him, you will be
damned. If there is no God and you do believe
in him, well, no harm." Therefore, belief is the
worst kind of Kennedy School cost/benefit
analysis, more appropriate to a business
school than a divinity school. What kind of a
God would reward you for making a
cost/benefit analysis and making that kind of
calculation that Pascal asks you to make?
So, I think there is no correlation empirical,
logical, moral between one's moral
attitudes and what one chooses as one's
tribal beliefs. Because after all, most of us
remain in the beliefs into which we were born.
How does that work? We chose the right
religion? Few of us choose religion. Most of
us simply follow in the religion in which we
were born.
And organized religion is very divisive,
particularly monotheistic organized religion,
because it tells you "there is one true God,
and our religion knows who it is all the
other religions are wrong." The recent
encyclical from the Catholic Church put it very
directly. "He who believes in Jesus Christ and
is baptized will be saved. He who does not
believe will be condemned." It's as simple as
that. What kind of a God would condemn you
for disbelieving in him? That approach to
religion sounds like petty tyranny. If you think
through faith and you try your best, in Paul
Tillick's sense, of trying to deal with the
ultimate, and after thinking hard and giving all
the benefit of the doubt you come away saying,
"On balance, I don't believe" you should be
punished for that? For that true exercise of
belief by eternal damnation?
But if you make a cost/benefit calculus that
leads you to say you believe, you are rewarded
for that? That's not the kind of morality we
should be encouraging. That's a kind of
morality that leads to the same kind of
cost/benefit analysis that, I think, has led to
disasters in the past.
I think the problem with the Odyssey is a very
serious one. How does one explain the
disasters in the world? I remember when
Elian Gonzalez was rescued. So many
religious people said, "See, see, God is
wonderful. He saved Elian Gonzalez with
porpoises." Yeah, but what about those
people who died? Was God not responsible
for their death? "Oh, God works in mysterious
ways." If you are willing as human beings to
abdicate your intelligence to a being who you
don't understand or know, what will that lead
you to? It will lead you to being Abraham in the
Bible. God comes down and says to Abraham,
"Kill your son." And Abraham says, "Sure." And
he's prepared to kill his son. And there have
been many Abrahams in the past.
There are great many good things that result
from religion. Religion does provide some
answers to some problems for some people,
but organized religion particularly creates
division. The United States Supreme Court in
an opinion in the last part of the 19th Century
declared Mohammadism to be a false
religion. It said that women shouldn't be
lawyers because that was God's will. And
more recently it said that homosexuality is
immoral. That's wrong. I don't care if the Bible
says it. It's wrong. It's wrong to divide people
on the basis of sexual preference, of sexual
orientation. It's wrong to say that women are
unequal, if the Bible says so. It's wrong to say
that Blacks are unequal even if the Hammite
myth supports it or suggests it. The Bible is
often wrong.
It is often right. Of course, it is often brilliantly
right. Many of the Ten Commandments are
worthy to be followed. Not all of them, but
many of them. It's not worth following the
Tenth Commandment that says do not make
a graven image. Or do not take the Lord's
name in vain. I don't care about that. I don't
care whether you take God's name in vain or
make graven images that's not the concern
of a civic society. We can do much better than
the Ten Commandments. We can have "do
not lie; do not cheat." We can have
commandments that are relevant. The
commandments were written by human
beings. The Bible was written by human
beings. The Bible contains brilliant wisdom of
humanity and some terribly grievous errors
which have led to the Crusades, which have
led to the Inquisition, which have led to
pogroms, which have led to terrorism.
I agree with you that there are great dangers
that I foresee in the 21st Century, and I think
among the greatest of those dangers is
religiously-inspired terrorism supported by
weapons of mass destruction. When you give
religiously inspired zealots weapons of mass
destruction and you promise them that if they
kill innocent people they will go to heaven,
imagine what the consequences are. The
same day that Joseph Lieberman said that
you could not separate morality from religion,
the New York Times had a picture of a leading
Islamic fundamentalist calling for the
destruction of the Jewish people in the name
of religion.
And so, I think we need to be very cautious. I
think we have to be very circumspect. I think
we have to give religion its due. I think we have
to respect those for whom religion is
important, but equally respect those who can
achieve good morality without religion. That's
the American way. That's what the Constitution
means when it says that no religious test
shall ever be required for office under the
United States. That should be a metaphor.
Don't judge people by their religion or lack
thereof. Thank you.
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